Saturday, 15 November 2014

Decisions and comments.

Hello Internet Land!

I felt I needed to write some words for all the questions, comments and feedback being received about the shirt I made for him that has caused such a stir.

I would like to thank each and every person who has supported Matt in his amazing achievement and who has asked after and complimented my hobby as well as my Husband's artwork on Dr. Taylor.

Unfortunately there has been a lot of negativity in this which I do understand but is also very upsetting.

Dr. Matt Taylor is an amazing, kind, loving and sensitive person.
I never expected him to wear my gift to him for such a big event and was surprised and deeply moved that he did.
I made that shirt for his birthday last month as I make clothes just as a hobby and he asked if I would make him one.
He is a close and very loved friend so made sure I did this for his birthday present.

I appreciate that everyone is entitled to their opinion and having worked with people and events for a long time I have certainly learnt that you are never going to please everyone.
I defy any living person to tell me truthfully that they have never made an action that may have caused an unwanted reaction in their lives even with the best intentions in mind.

I am so proud of Matt and his achievements and the fact he is an interesting and very brave person to do what he did with the very sweet gesture he made towards my gift and to wear his individuality with pride.
It has certainly made history more exciting and bold.

I do read all your comments you have all made but there are so many I just can’t reply to you all personally.
The people that have attacked and said horrible things I am not going to engage with as the supportive and very lovely comments I have also received outweigh those tenfold!

I would like to take this opportunity to try and answer all the questions I have been getting.

There is no ‘meaning’ behind the shirt. I just bought material and sewed it together.

Nothing sinister at all was meant behind it at any point. It was just a bold and individual fashion item.

I did make Matt’s shirt. You can see it from a few weeks back on his Twitter feed and our studio feed (@EternalArtEssex) as well as my Instagram.
There is a similar shirt available on the internet but as the material is readily available this is no huge surprise.
I customized Matt’s shirt so it does have slight differences to the one already on line as it was a very personal thing.

I am not going to apologize for having a hobby. In actual fact I am a nobody who just crafted a shirt for a friend.
I never expected it to get to this magnitude and am humbled and overwhelmed.

I am genuinely surprised that so many of you want the shirts.

I am no professional seamstress by any means. My clothes are made with love and time put into it. 

Yes I can make other clothes and pin up (male and female!) printed material is readily available. 

Yes I can make ladies shirts. 

If I was to recreate the same print and other similar prints from the fabric designer I use for these shirts I need to be very clear that they are far from perfect.

The other issue unfortunately for me is sadly the cost. That fabric designer’s material is very expensive in the UK. I was shocked to see the shirt available online for only $60!
My fabric has cost me £45 for each shirt and then 5-6 hours of my time to put it all together!
Because of this that also means I that if I was to embark on this that unless I can get my costs downs with fabric that I will have to charge around £150 for 1 shirt which I feel is excessive! From the magnitude of this I would have to stop working in the daytimes to meet the demand and I need to make a living like everyone else in the world. 

The other down side is that as I am only just me I cannot mass produce these at the moment as part of why I started making clothes is that I want to do each one myself and put the passion into every one that I put into all my clothes.
This means that if all of you seriously want me to make versions then there will be a considerable waiting list!

Also due to the negative responses it also makes me a tad reluctant as someone will start accusing me of ‘cashing in’ or whatever.

My Husband has said I should embark on this and what is making me feel I want to is that so many of you amazing people have asked for them simply to support Matt which I think is flipping awesome!

To support Matt to show how many people are behind him I am going to try.
I have set up an email account called redfoxcreations@hotmail.com for any of you who want to enquire more.

I really am just a nobody who is lucky enough to have an awesome friend who was just being sweet.

268 comments:

  1. I absolutely love the shirt. The moment I saw it I smiled. The fact people.are choosing something which is truly insignificant to the whole event, and attacking you and Matt saddens me. Be proud, Elly. You made something beautiful and with love, and sadly that's a rarity these days

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    1. Feminists have turned into people who live to find something to bitch about. The best thing you can do for yourself and them is to tell them to go to hell. The shirt is beautiful, by the way.

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    2. Can we use the term 'extreme feminists'? And not dirty the feminist movement?

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    3. ^The feminist movement did a very nice job of dirtying itself with its misandry and anti democracy discourse, thank you very much.

      These are not extreme feminists talking. That's the moderates. The mainstream.

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    4. "And not dirty the feminist movement?"

      That ship has sailed.

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    5. The problem is that feminism is eating itself in the developed world, due to lack of sustenance in the form of genuine battles to fight in the name of gender equality. What was a movement addressing urgent issues for the 'baby boomers' has become little more than a hobby for the kind of young woman whose privileged existence leaves her with little better to think about than collecting petty grievances, along with the Marxist-Leninists who hijacked the movement in the 1970s and altered its vocabulary.

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    6. You have it backwards, Nicola.

      We have plenty of words for evil feminists, be they the transphobic ones, the homophobic ones, the racists, the man haters, the self haters.

      What we don't have is a name for the good feminists. They just get called "feminists" and lumped in with all the others.

      What is needed is a new branch of feminism with some definitively specified values. Feminism has no values, it stands both for and against gender equality (the female eunuch, for example, describes gender equality as anti-feminist) it stands for and against sexual freedoms, for and against the right to wear what you want...

      Someone just needs to have the guts to stand up and make a new feminism. I had hope when I saw this but nothing came of it in the end. http://rosalarian.tumblr.com/post/78124344560/feminism-is-having-a-wardrobe-malfunction-does

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    7. Reading these angry, full of hate, responses aimed at feminism is really disturbing. If you have anger and hatred inside you please find another way to deal with it. If you feel you have a valid reason to be angry at feminism, not just a stereotype of feminism, then please write specifically to the issue you have without throwing hatred around. To say that there are no longer gender equality issues is inaccurate. I'm not sure what the exact current figures are, but my understanding is that women still make 70-80 cents for every dollar a man makes for the same work. As long as very important things like this are still in existance then we will still need to work on equality. The stereotype of all feminists being angry, bitter woman, is not accurate. A feminist is someone who thinks that there should be equality for women. I know a lot of men who are feminists. The same as i am very much for LGTB rights and equality. We should all be feminists. As we should all be for the fair treatment of everyone.

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    8. The wage gap has been debunked many, many, many, many times over. It's not a wage gap, but rather a lifetime earnings gap due to different choices women make. Women aren't actually being paid less wages.

      A long list of sources for that and other feminist bogus 'statistics' can be found here: http://check-your-privilege-feminists.tumblr.com/post/95979451581/i-dont-understand-how-are-you-not-a-feminist

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    9. I don't understand someone who does not want everyone to be treated fairly and to have equality. There was a certain time where i felt there was a lot of anger at men going on. I found this pin that say "I like men." I really liked it because it seemed to be saying that i was for men and wasn't part of being angry at them, so i use to wear my pin. Of course, when i thought about it, i realized that it was probably a pin for gay men to wear with pride, but i still liked it for my reason, so i wore it.

      I would stick up for the rights of anyone who is not being treated fairly. I would think that in a good fair world everyone would.

      As a female computer programmer it was disturbing the number of times that the response to my telling a man that i was a computer programmer, was for him to say, "you must type fast" because he assumed i was a data entry girl. To say there are no longer equality issues for women is incorrect.

      It is obvious from your sentence that includes "other feminist bogus 'statistics'" and tells me to go to a place called "check your privilege feminists" that you and who ever has that page are very angry at people wanting equality for women and you are not trying to have a respectful conversation. I tried to click on your link to see what it said, but i can't click on it and i can't cut and paste it and given it's title it doesn't seem like a place whose information i can trust, even if i got there. If i told you to look up statistics about anything on a site that clearly states it is angry and dislikes the thing it is giving out statistics on, then that would not be a place to get trustworthy information.

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    10. That pin sounds awesome. I'm glad you see the frequent misandry, and reject it.

      There will always be jerks in the world, and always a few misogynists amongst men. I'm not saying that's not a problem (though you really cannot erase all the assholes), but at the same time I don't think women have it particularly unequal if you consider that men make up the vast majority of suicides, workplace deaths and injuries, manual laborers, war casualties, prisoners, and male victims of domestic violence, rape and divorce courts are too often ignored. Feminists and most women's advocates has never been interested in equality where men are disproportionately affected, and at best, it only fights for rights for women without the responsibilities. So for example women have the right to be in the army, but no cultural or legal obligation to do so. That is not equality or fairness, but feminism is not addressing it while constantly shutting down people who do attempt to talk about that, as misogynists.

      I don't find that blog to be particularly angry, but even then just because someone is angry does not automatically make them wrong or not worth listening to. Most of the statistics are from neutral sources anyway, but I also recommend you check out Christina Hoff Sommers. Pretty much everything is covered by her, and she considers herself a feminist, but is one who knows her facts and genuinely wants fairness and equality for all, and thus is very much respected and loved by anti-feminists.

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    11. To Ms O'Loughlin, you have an extremely naive perspective that doesn't even ACKNOWLEDGE the problems that modern mainstream feminists are responsible for (like shirtstorm, and the bullying of a good scientist for wearing a bloody shirt, or the recent defense of outright fabricated stories of gang rape, because apparently rape culture is so universal that we have to believe lies just incase they are the truth, doubting a story is supporting rape and these stories are so common they don't have to be real. To the point they never have evidence to back them up and continue to push them when they are proven wrong)
      If feminism were JUST about "gender equality" you might have a point.
      But it isn't.
      It has a LOT of baggage, and you believe a GOOD DEAL of that baggage yourself.
      When yuo ditch your fantasies, ditch your emotional reactions (that are what justifies that bullying that Matt Taylor had to endure) and confront reality, you may do some growing up.
      You can still advocate for women rights. I do.
      You just need to walk away from the victim complex, the histrionics and the demands for special treatment.
      If I am angry, you don't get to tell me I shouldn't be. If you are offended? It doesn't mean anything. Th every WORD feminism offends me, does that mean I get to ban it?

      If you cant address the real problems within feminism, all I can ask is why do you hate men so much? Because you must do, right?
      You support a movement that has MANY proponents that openly hate men, you think this movement is unassailable and therefore you must be a hatefilled bigot that supports #killallmen and #yesallmen (that last one means "are potential rapists" which is not offensive or sexist at all, right?)

      I think in all likelihood you simply do not know any better.
      try out an alternative.
      Approach a feminist space as a man (the internet is wonderful for anon culture) with a skeptical perspective. See how long you can maintain your naivety.

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  2. This shirt was/is great. I thought it showed that us scientists are normal people, not just old men with comb-overs in old tatty jackets.

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    1. Is that to imply that being old, having a comb-over, or wearing old tatty jackets have some connotation of abnormality beyond idiosyncrasy?

      Of course, I do understand what you mean. While personally I found the shirt a bit tacky, images such as the pin-up have entrenched themselves in the sort of vintage nouveau look that demonstrates an artistic and conscientious awareness of fashions both antique and vanguard. In that sense, wearing such an item certainly communicates a sense of individuality and depth of consciousness that might symbolize something of one's character.

      Indeed, the artistic freedom to distribute such items and the social freedom to wear them are actually a testament to social progression and liberation, and in my thinking, much to the psychological chagrin of many of the disgruntled Twitter hounds.

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  3. It is not only the shirt but the thought behind it from both of you. You two have a great friendship and that is what should matter the most.

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  4. Recently, people showily offended any crap.

    "Oh no, you insulted me with his long hair!"
    "Oh, you're a bitch, you insult me with your eyes!"
    "How could you insult me that you breathe!"
    "You are a man, and this fact offends me!"

    No one was offended due to this shirt! This manipulative nonsense silly hysterics, they have different objectives. Hysterical accentuation - close to a personality disorder.

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  5. You are pure class, Elly.
    One positive from all of this is that I and others have learned that.
    Keep being awesome!

    Paula

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  6. Just wanted to reach out and let you know you how awesome I think you all are. Your shirt was so well-done, and Matt is so obviously a sweet guy, it really distressed me how much negativity was going around about the whole thing. Keep up the great work, good luck with your orders, and give Matt a hug for me next time you see him. Tell him we've all got his back!

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    1. I'm a space engineer, and I would wear your shirt on TV no problem.

      Please make me one with semi nude firemen on.

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    2. That same web site that sells the shirts with the same material also has semi-nude cowboy shirts. Go buy one.

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  8. I absoluty love the t-shirt. The fact that people are so obsessed with this saddens me hugely. We (as a humanity) landed on a FUCKING COMET!!

    The t-shirt is bright and the fact that you made it for him is super-cool. I wish you and your boyfriend to keep being awesome. You guys are great.

    Hope you would start selling this t-shirts so I could buy a couple and wear them to my job.

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  9. The shirt is really nice. Those who are offended by it are just sick!

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  10. If you are in touch with him, please let him know that thousands of people are supporting him on Twitter with hashtags in his name, there is even a petition for people sending him support. It seems the critism was just a tiny minority of the loony left.

    Matt is obviously a guy who enjoys life and loves science. He is a wonderful role-model for people of either gender wanting to get into science.

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    1. Come on, really, the looney left?! I understand people wanting to protect Matt because he was wearing a shirt his friend made and wasn't meaning to offend anyone. I can't be sure because i didn't see it, but i had heard that Matt had apologized, saying he hadn'tmeant to offend anyone. I thought that was really nice. If i inadvertantly offended a group of people, i would hope i would be as thoughtful as Matt was. For any hate thrown at Matt, i think it unfair, but i believe that there were some reasonable things brought up. I think the shirt is really nice, but that wearing a shirt with women in sultry sexy poses isn't apporpriate in the circumstance. Keeping hatred and offensive namecalling off internet comments and posts would be a really wonderful thing.

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    2. I am hoping you have also posted "Keeping hatred and offensive namecalling off internet comments and posts would be a really wonderful thing." on a feminist message board. Otherwise you are pretending that only the people defending him are the people doing this.

      Also, it seems retarded that if someone else was to have a problem with the guys shirt, who cares. But if a woman has a problem with it that's sexist and completely unacceptable. Presumably the fact that i have this opinion is also sexist and completely unacceptable. Maybe all men should just quit their jobs and bow down before the mighty feminist war machine! (ok that is sort of unfair)

      There is a clear difference between normal feminists and ultrafeminists, they are giving them a bad name/rep. I am all for equality, but it does stop being equality when women can say what they like but men have to watch what they say in fear of being chastised.

      The whole wage thing is nonsense as well, i work with many women who earn the same or more than me, and those higher than me have helped me out a lot and i have a great deal of respect for them.

      There is a genuine risk of all this going too far in the other direction, and in 100 years men campaigning for their rights, burning jockstraps or something!

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  11. Nice one, Elly.

    The permantently-offended brigade are self-indulgently twerps. I hope Matt doesn't feel too down about it.

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  12. First things first. For a decade or more I've been involved with the neo-burlesque cabaret scene, which of course overlaps with pin up girl style, rockabilly, vintage stuff, and other varied subcultures. In this scene there are women who are avid feminists, and some who don't wear that label, but they are all pro-women, pro-equality and I doubt anyone in my universe would have seen that shirt as anything other than cool and fun.

    I have been following the mission like millions of others and when I saw Dr Matt on TV my only thought TV I thought was that he looked cool, not like a stuffy stereotype, that his shirt was ace, and then started listening to the science. I never could have imagined that the perma-offended hate Stasi would use him as their next victim.

    I know it's hard when you're in the middle of a shitstorm but it really is a handful of spiteful people that just get off the thrill of a witchhunt that had a problem with the shirt. Not the majority of people.

    You now have loads of new fans so look to that not the negatives. I hope everything works out great for you!

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    1. "the perma-offended hate Stasi would use him as their next victim." I was totally with you and then you put this. To take people who are validly upset by something and write this. It's wrotten and uneeded. You don't need to do that in order to support Matt. Just because you have no idea what it's like to be a woman, especially a woman in a predominantly male occupation, doesn't mean that it doesn't come with problems. I don't agree with people being cruel or mean to Matt and i don't agree with people being cruel or mean to the people who in a civilized way have brought up an issue with him wearing the shirt.

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  13. I am grievously sorry about what happened to you. I'd like to apologize on behalf of all decent human beings for the vile aggression you and Dr. Taylor were subjected to. To think there are some who claim his tears during his apology were fake... the nerve. This is becoming a hate culture.

    Hang in there, you don't deserve any of this. Godspeed.

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  14. Imagine the emotions you'd have after a 10 year long, almost impossible project succeeds ... and now imagine someone has a go at you about something you didn't even think was wrong. Boom, right? That's what really got to me about these people having a go at Matt. They kicked up over something that wasn't even offensive, and attacked a good guy that was emotionally charged and therefore vulnerable.

    I doubt he would've reacted in that way had he not just had such an awesome success, or if he was used to being badgered by the (as Aamanda Kendal put it above) "permanently offended brigade".

    Just chiming in to show my support for Matt. And glad others have come to his defence, hope he sees all the support and can come out of this with a heap of positives, despite the few negatives. The shirt was cool, and not offensive at all.

    Sorry if this posts twice, never commented on a blogspot post before.

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  15. I thought the shirt was glorious! Kudos to you for making it.

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  16. I love the shirt. I am sorry Matt apologized for wearing it. Both of you should ignore the prissy puritans.

    I commented on the idiocy here: http://www.otherclub.blogspot.com/2014/11/no-women-were-harmed-in-making-of-this.html

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  17. I am glad that you seem to be dealing with this nonsense so well. I am just sorry that these neo-puritans are giving feminists such a black eye. The people having fits over this are the furthest thing from being feminists.

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    1. That's because the most authentic feminists are too busy DOING feminism in their everyday lives to resort to petty pretexts to TALK about it constantly.

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  18. Let's say the shirt was about something else that pin-up girls. Some other cool / funny / iconic stereotype. What if it was about some ethnic, LGBT, religious icon? Same love and dedication, but would that still be alright?

    I hope you do understand this is not about your well-intended art on the shirt. It's about very deep and long-standing issues about sexism in STEM and how their members are taking actions (or not) to solve them. Also, please be aware that despite all the lovely context you are giving here, the only visible thing to the science community was the shirt. The fact that there were no bad intentions on behalf of any the parts does not mean wearing publicly clothes that arfully depicts a stereotype that has been hurting the diversity in STEM is OK.

    I hope you do see this, beyond your friendship and love. it'd not take much scratching the surface to see how difficult and unhealthy it is for many of us to develop our passion for science while all we hear is to go home and be nice.

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    2. Well said, Mordelon. Matt seemed to really understand, and I think it's awfully cool that he did. Would he support the selling of dozens of shirts just to say "screw you!" to women in STEM and those who support them? I don't know him, but I doubt it.

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    3. The shirt depicts women in sci-fi/noir settings wielding *guns*. You may dislike the fact that they are provocatively dressed, but your assertion that the message is "go home and be nice" is pretty much 180 degrees out of phase with what is in the images on the shirt.

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    4. To answer your first question - so, it's just a shirt? Your second - yes, it's just a shirt.

      The only proof of sexism that may exist in STEM is evidenced by those of you who churlishly think that women's career choices can be stifled by a cartoon character shirt.

      These sartorial choices are no less oppressive to women than misguided women who choose to prance about in vagina costumes or run about shirtless while demanding that everyone else not think of them as their ladybits.

      I'll reverse your dishonest opening hypothetical with one of my own: Do you think a female scientist wearing an "I Hate Men" t-shirt would have been forced to issue a tearful apology? No, she would have been celebrated by the very women screeching for this man-of-achievement's head.

      And you'd be silent.

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    5. Adam, the only thing that Maat understood was that his career was jeopardized by a bunch of intellectual bullies. It's more of a sad commentary on Western society that these frustrated underachievers wield so much power over people who actually contribute to our world. And to think that they consider women to be such delicate flowers that they require protection from cartoons on shirts.

      A little less looking for offensive bugbears and a little more study in the STEM fields and these frustrated little harpies might have had something useful to contribute. Plenty of other women do.

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    6. Oh you mean like the students at London School of Economics who were told to remove their shirts depicting Mohammed and Jesus?

      Yeah, that's totally fine. And I'll bet that these crones defended their right to wear the shirt too. As long as it doesn't offend their own lot,it's fine.

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    7. XX mordelon15 November 2014 10:43 XX

      Oh, DO fuck off!

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    8. Besides demographics in STEM. Is there any issue? Is the demographics even an issue?

      Policing clothes helps diversity? Pin up girls are bad things for women? Should women be forbidden to become pin up girls? Should pin up girls be forbidden?

      What about that STEM stereotype you name? A pinup girl is the stereotype of woman in STEM?

      Twisted logic.

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    9. If Dr. Taylor had been a woman, and the focus had been on her clothes instead of her accomplishments, she'd be the victim of boorish sexism. And since gender is irrelevant in scientific accomplishments, we rightly conclude that Mondelon is a boorish sexist.

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    10. Yeah, you have no understanding of this style of art nor do you seem to understand the culture of pinup-styles. Moreover, coming from a Muslim background & being an atheist, I would have NO PROBLEM wearing a Jesus & Mo shirt to a press event ESPECIALLY an event like this.

      And about LGBT/racist mockery, no one WANTS to be a slave but there are women who find empowerment in expressing their sexuality.

      Sexism isn't perpetuated by T-shirts. To counter sexism, inspire women to go for STEM. This stuff is petty especially because there is a kind of feminism where being able to wear a bikini or merely being able to have a career in sex industry is empowering and a matter of free choice.

      Sexuality is such a private thing that just because a dude was wearing a shirt with bikini cartoons does NOT mean that he's pulling a Chris Brown.

      Disagree all you want but people need to chill out.
      It bores the hell out of me to even entertain this nonsense when there are deeper, more complex, and actually damaging issues at hand that need to be fixed pronto.

      I care about equal opportunities. Not someone's non-violent expression of sexuality.

      Ain't nobody got time for insecure knee-jerk jerkisms of mediocre minds.

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    11. If a woman aspiring to be in the STEM field is too sensitive to handle a shirt depicting a cartoon woman, she probably can't handle any STEM job in the first place.

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    12. Well said mordelon. I think what a lot of people are upset about is that they are mistaking this all as a personal attack on Matt, which I don't think is the case for most feminists. For most it is a call to acknowledge the subtle messages that are (often unintentionally) sent to women in STEM (and generally in society) that also foster a culture of misogyny and disrespect toward women. People can choose to dismiss that call by personally attacking those who make it, or to engage in honest conversation that may open the doors for women to feel more welcome and respected in the STEM field.

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    13. Malcolm, I see you're still peddling your unsupported (and unsupportable) nonsense. Considering that the woman who started this particular fire called Matt an "asshole", I'd say your argument needs work here. As usual.

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    14. Ahhh, Malcolm, I see you're trying to back away from language that you clearly used upthread. That's the beauty of the internet. The spectators here can scroll back up to see that you did, in fact, say what you're now saying you didn't say.

      Considering that your worldview is relativistic and that you use regressive linguistic doublespeak with no basis in reality, it's clear that this discussion will go nowhere.

      You are indeed a fraud incapable of rational critical thought or seeing past the deconstructionist sophistry which you've adopted as a worldview. As I'm running up against Brandolini's Law with you as I do most postmodernist clowns, I'm going to give it a rest here.

      Again, nothing ad hominem here - all observation-based points which have been explained by several here.

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    15. Gmay - I'm not sure I understand the logic that supporting the comments of one commentator on a string of comments means that I also support the original comment that commentator is commenting on. Perhaps I am misunderstanding what you are trying to say? Also, please point out what language I am backing away from as I am unclear as to what you are referring to.

      It's clear to me that unless you focus your argument more on my argument and less on your perceptions and assumptions about me that this conversation will go nowhere. Why not put forth your criticism of my argument and leave it at that? Why do you feel the need to try to belittle and demean others to support your argument?

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    16. Malcolm, you don't have an argument. What you have is a collection of verbiage that doesn't make any sense whatsoever. As I demonstrate here:
      http://phantomsoapbox.blogspot.ca/2014/11/shirtstorm-continues-malcolm-winter.html

      Be there or be square.

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  19. Congratulations to both of you . I love the shirt and what Dr. Taylor is doing blows my mind . There is always going to be jealous haters . Ignore them what they think doesn't matter .If every great visionist was as narrow minded as them . We would still be living in the stone age .

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  20. Please give him a big hug from all of us and tell we are proud of him. He did fantastic for science!

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  21. I so want to buy a closet full of those shirts!

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  22. Oh look, people got outraged over stupid stuff that was an innocent gift. Imagine that. Great shirt and thank you for posting. Shared on my FB and Twitter. Hopefully people move on soon!

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  23. I order to be successful, one has to think outside the box..The world is so proud of Matt and the crew for the years of incredible stamina that they have endured to bring this project to fruition. Anybody who would dare to criticize Matt for his wonderful taste in clothes deserves to be left at the launching pad..

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  24. Fantastic shirt. Don't let the bastards get you down.

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  25. Love the shirt, love the sentiment it was made with.

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  26. Elly,

    I wish I had a friend as cool as you, the shirt was top class and I love it my wife loves it and my two daughters have screen printed it and have it on their walls and love it…for the feminists puritans who stirred up this debate are sad lonely fools most no doubt most have the look of a wilder beast who are changing this world into a puerile place where people dare not speak or express what they think in case it might be misinterpreted into something it was never meant to be….so sad.

    Keep expressing yourself in your clothes they are utterly brilliant and that comes from three women and one very jealous scientist. Matt needs to apologise for Jack Squat Diddly he is the man.

    May the force stay with you and your hair stay Mars Red.

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  27. Well done you. The shirt was awesome and made me smile. It's not often that you can be educated, enthused and entertained in all in one short moment and I felt all those emotions watching Matt on the news and a large part of that was his shirt and his smile. You should be proud of what you made (I dabble in making my own clothes and I could never make such a professional looking shirt) and please pass my congratulations on to Matt for his amazing achievements - both in science and in fashion. Anyone who complained should grow a sense of humour and get a bloody life!! :)

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  28. Please enter into a contract ASAP mass-produce these shirts and make a huge pile of money for Matt and yourself.

    It was a wonderful funny gift, and the fanatics who hate it and hate Matt for wearing it should hop on to a passing comet and soar away into the deep deep darkness

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  29. Matt's achievement is awesome. He is a cool dude, and the shirt is awesome too! Ignore the jealous feminist haters. #HatersGonnaHate

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  30. Oh, you mean a WOMAN made the shirt as a present? It was not the man being misogynistic and wearing the shirt to purposefully degrade women? Since those are the FACTS, the prudish feminists will be making a public apology to both the creator and wearer of the shirt when?

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  31. The attacks on your shirt do more damage to feminism than the attackers even comprehend, pushing people away, and perpetuating the stereotype of whiny, shrill, strident, self-involved, emotional females, that some of us have spent decades trying to combat. Meanwhile REAL sexism and misogyny run rampant in life and on the internet, while some people focus on clothing... facepalm! Real feminists will continue to strive for a better world, but these folks sure make it difficult.

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  32. Matt's achievement is the greatest science feat to date not involving astronauts. His shirt is neither here nor there, or should be until now. I would love to get a shirt like this because a: I would like to show my support to Matt and draw attention to him and his achievement. b: Because it's a great shirt. c: I would be more than happy to photograph this product for you for free should you decide to go into mass production of this shirt. Think Kickstarter - you have a winning ready made market. All the best to you, go for it.

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  33. Awesome shirt, made by an amazing friend. Such a shame Matts achievements have been overshadowed because of the habitually offended. Please give him a massive hug from me next time you see him x

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  34. Do a $20K+ Kickstarter and hire people to help.

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  35. As one nobody to another, may I make a suggestion? Make ten of these shirts. Call them a 'limited run from the original shirtmaker' and sell them online for 10,000 dollars apiece. I bet you get a few takers.

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  36. Mrs. Prizeman, please, make sure you choose a good password and maybe even turn on twostep verification for your new Hotmail account. Because of the politics surrounding this, there are nuts out there that would love to hack your stuff just to teach you a lesson for not towing their line.

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  37. It's sad that you've learnt the hard way, just how many offendotrons there are out there.

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  38. Those who try to focus only on the shirt and scream that "this is the problem with STEM and the meanings are SOOO MUCH DEEPER" are self-centered, self-important, egotistical, and hateful. They do not deserve to be given a voice or responded to. Keep on doing what you're doing.

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  39. Wonderful gesture, wonderful shirt. I'm writing to express my support and my utter disdain with the Fem-Taliban, who do nothing to further womens' causes whatsoever. <3

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  40. I just shared this story on my wall, and that isn't something I do often.

    Please let Matt know lots of people support both his profession and his character.

    If you ask me, this ordeal has caused more problems than the problem it claims to be fighting. If women today are taught that being offended at everything and threatening people's jobs and harassing them to tears, it is no wonder why some fields are male dominated. No one wants to work around someone who will stress them out or get them fired.

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  41. Strong and compassionate people like you, Elly, make the world a better place. Best wishes to you - & if you ever get production going I would love to purchase one of those beautiful shirts.

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  42. It's a great shirt, it was a great achievement, and the people who started this have merely proven themselves vile, small-minded, and evil.

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  43. Just adding my public support to you and your rocket scientist friend. Don't let the humourless right on %swearword%s get you down

    BTW that shirt made me think of this song...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7ZgShUIfQc

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  44. Your friend landed a man-made object on a comet! He deserves to wear whatever he wants! The fact that he chose to wear a shirt you made and gave him speaks to the enormous regard in which he holds you. Bless you both and what an amazing achievement!

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  45. I applaud your sensitive and nuanced response and I want to wish you the best of luck going forward.

    Just a suggestion, however: as you note there is already a shirt available (assumedly mass-produced?), perhaps you should investigate a an immediate endorsement deal w/ the manufacturer/vendor of the mass-produced shirt?

    B/c, as you note, you will not be able to ramp up the production to capitalize on all of the interest, and as with anything, the outrage will quickly fade, and with it much of the casual interest, and people will move on to the next internet-moment.

    By all means keep making original hand-sewn shirts that you charge a premium for, but no harm in trying to capture some revenue by getting in touch w/ the mass-producers and demanding a cut. They'll probably be faking your endorsement soon anyway...

    Ok, all that said, I thought you handled yourself with dignity. Please don't ever bend to the will of the misandrist, identity-politics-loving gender warriors and outrage cultivators!! @alicebell is a shameless click-baitist!

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  46. The shirt is beautiful. Matt is wonderful. And you are a lovely and creative artist. But I can understand why some people were offended. Some of the offense was excessive, but that is nothing compared to the outrageous level of offense now being taken at those who were offended (often taken by people who are just looking to make trouble in my opinion). Thank you for being moderate in your response, and please convey my appreciation to Matt for his apparent sincerity in understanding and regretting how an innocent expression of enthusiasm for an art form can be upsetting to people who have been demeaned or intimidated by others who enjoy it (and also of course for his great work in space).

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  47. Yet a Kardashian sets out to break the Internet with the nude images that we have all tried to avoid... fat arse self entitled celebrity whore... where is the outrage at that shit... double standards... A Kardashian couldn't figure out how to fold a paper plane, let alone get a vehicle to a comet as was achieved...

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  48. Elly --
    I suggest that you *immediately* speak to a lawyer who specializes in international intellectual property law. Trade mark the name(s) of the shirt (eg. "The Matt Taylor/Rosetta Philae Shirt") in all major international markets. To my non-professional knowledge a garment can't be patented/copywrited but a garment name *can* be. License your trademark, for a healthy fee to a company(s) with the production/marketing/distribution reach to start taking orders and initiate production ASAP. You could allocate some percentage of the profits to a Rosetta-related education organization. You'll need to move quickly. Good luck.

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  49. I find this conversation very interesting. Surely I can't make judgements on Matt based solely on his wearing of a shirt that many found offensive (myself included) or on Elly for making it. It seems obvious that Matt and Elly (like most people who make mistakes) are good people with good intentions. However, my issue is not with those actions but with how they and others have responded to how others have *experienced* those actions, regardless of intention.

    This is EXACTLY why there aren't more women in STEM. Because when women raise legitimate concerns about the way they're being treated, instead of taking some time to think about how one's actions affect others who have very different histories and life experiences, one instead attempts to justify those actions by saying that any other perception of the action is illegitimate (i.e. "you're just being sensitive," "you're missing the point," "he didn't mean it that way"). Here's a great video explaining why that sort of reaction not only shuts down REAL conversation (and therefore absolves the perpetrator of investing any critical thought), but also perpetuates oppression by using privileged perspectives to take that person's voice away.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8xJXKYL8pU&feature=youtu.be&utm_source=buffer&utm_campaign=Buffer&utm_content=buffer6e6e6&utm_medium=twitter

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    1. "Because when women raise legitimate concerns about the way they're being treated..."

      Don't you mean, "when women go on a scorched-earth campaign to destroy a man because they didn't like his shirt..."?

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    2. Winter If you are kept out of stem because of a shirt, than you werent smart enough to work in stem to begin with.

      Honestly who the hell are you to be the arbiter of other people. Get a life or move a to a place with real oppression.

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    3. Sorry another point. His shirt hurts no one. Not one single person. I see people like you do slut walks where you wear much less clothing than the women on his shirt.

      This is just a sign how bored and self hating you people are.

      To Matt your amazing. What you accomplished is right up there with the moon landing and dont let these people tell you otherwise. Keep up the amazing work.

      To Elly Your an amazing loving friend and matt is lucky to have you as one keep supporting him and let him know hes loved.

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    4. Winter, there are men being offended because women are not covering their faces in public. Does it make it alright, then?

      If you are prescribing Dr. Taylor's dress code you are inevitably agreeing with men prescribing dress codes for women. Is that your intent?

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    5. "concerns about how they are being treated"

      How exactly is he treating women *by wearing this shirt*? He's saying that he thinks provocatively dressed women wielding guns are cool. That pretty much says *nothing at all* about how he feels about his coworkers.

      Consider this--if the idea that you might encounter a guy who has some provocative imagery of women was such a huge dissuader from women wanting to go into a profession, then why does *anyone* work at Hooters? Why would any woman join the military, where (at least in the US) it's pretty widely known as many as 1 in 10 will be sexually assaulted, never mind how much they might encounter coworkers with explicit imagery of women?

      Your logic seems to be, "Oh my god, some girl is going to see that shirt and it's going to make her feel like she is not welcome in the STEM fields." So, where exactly is she going to go work instead where she won't encounter at least some *much more over sexism*?

      The problem with a shortage of women in STEM isn't at the end of the line, it's at the beginning. It's tolerating pop stars who are teaching girls to dress like tarts before they even hit puberty. It's parents who don't buy their girls "science toys" because there aren't any pink ones. It's not a guy wearing a shirt with some sexy sci-fi babes on it.

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    6. Of course you can make a judgment on Elly, just like I can make a judgment upon you for being offended at another human being's clothing. Judgment is a valuable skill, and people who are successful at life make judgments throughout every day.

      To rail against judgment is to proclaim your arrested development. As is being offended - you're demonstrating that you lack control of your emotions.

      Your assertions that Matt's sartorial choices are "exactly why more women aren't in STEM" is complete fantasy on your part. Simple and childish confirmation bias, nothing more.

      As for your tired screed about perceptions and experiences, that entire argument is as tedious as it is self-refuting. Distilling everything down to a sort of experiential relativism is what shuts down honest conversation. No doubt you've swallowed modern sociological pseudo terms like 'intersectionality' and 'intertextuality'.

      This line of pseudo reasoning probably earned you praise from your social sciences professor in college, but it reveals you to the thinking world as a lightweight.

      Read Pavel Bansky's response to you again as it succinctly exposes your poor reasoning.

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    7. > Because when women raise legitimate concerns about the way they're being treated

      None of the people complaining were "being treated", so it's absurd to say that this had anything to do with women complaining about how they were being treated.

      You watched an amazing human feat on TV and got bent out of shape because you didn't like what someone wore. You had to single-frame it to even notice that the shirt had women on it and not men.

      Go back to your hashtag campaign against Boko Haram, knowing full well that it will be crude men who will actually do the only work that matters.

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    8. I think maybe you are all making the same assumptions about my argument. However, my argument is about structural oppression, not individual oppression, although the two are certainly related. Incidentally, you have all made a lot of assumptions about me, most of which were wrong. I will only address the ones that are relevant as I don't tend to find ad hominem defenses productive.
      You are right that I was in STEM and contemplated biochem as a career, but the reason I left wasn't because of how I was treated or because I wasn't "smart enough to work in STEM in the first place." I left because of the lack of critical thought in STEM. I found that the rigid definition of critical thought as only whether something has scientific validity, accuracy, and/or precision as a deficient one. I still have a foot in STEM as an interdisciplinarian, but I choose not to confine myself to one discipline.
      Pjgj03, you seem to assume that I am writing this from a "developed" country. Actually, I'm living in Burma at the moment where I am volunteer teaching science, environmental issues, and political ecology and conducting dissertation research on privatization and inequality. Beyond that, I've spent nearly three years of my life travelling and working in over 30 countries, most of which are "developing." I have seen a fair share of "real oppression" (whatever that means) and I find covert oppression just as insidious to society as overt oppression, perhaps even more so since it is so much harder to fix something most people can’t see.

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    9. Winter,

      Sorry I'm in a minority (though male) in a STEM field, and here is our attitude towards workers: Are they good? Can they work with others? Hire them. Don't care about their genitals, skin color or political views.

      "I left because of the lack of critical thought in STEM. I found that the rigid definition of critical thought as only whether something has scientific validity, accuracy, and/or precision as a deficient one."

      I don't know what "scientific validity" means in this context, we usually use it to mean "supported by evidence", which obviously is what you are going to need in a STEM field. I haven't found more critical thought in other fields, but it might be different in my country.

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    10. That's interesting Owl as that is certainly not how Neil DeGrasse Tyson sees it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7ihNLEDiuM

      By "critical thought," I think perhaps Tracy Ore defines it best by including the identification and challenging of cultural assumptions, awareness of our place and time in our culture, searching for alternative ways of thinking, and developing a reflective analysis. All of this is something I never found in STEM and I know now that that's one of the many reasons I left.

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    11. I've been in STEM pretty much my entire adult life - degrees in math, engineering, and computer science, licensed professional engineer (retired), and a software developer for many years - and I can say that "the identification and challenging of cultural assumptions, awareness of our place and time in our culture, searching for alternative ways of thinking, and developing a reflective analysis" do not have one damn thing to do with whether a beam can support its design load, a detention basin will not overflow during a 100-year storm, or a program will compile and run without crashing; but "scientific validity, accuracy, and/or precision" sure do.

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    12. I, for at least one, am not making assumptions about your argument. Though it's not a very solid "argument" in the formal sense.

      One can reasonably conclude that your self-control is suspect if you take offense to cartoon characters on shirts. If you truly were offended, then you have already made the judgment against Matt that you claim you couldn't make. An inanimate object is incapable of giving offense; it is the intent of the person who uses the object. For you to have an emotional reaction to his choice, means that you have divined (albeit incorrectly) his intent for wearing it.

      You seem to think that the feminist critique itself is beyond critique since it is what you claim (with absolutely no supporting evidence) is driving your comment here. Such a notion is as absurd as it is dishonest. The worldviews and philosophies that are behind the criticism of Matt's shirt or - the slightly more stable but unsubstantiated notion - that the STEM fields are conspiring to lockout women from its ranks are fair game for intellectual scrutiny.

      To assert that criticizing demonstrably absurd points of view is what keeps women out of STEM is a non sequitur.

      Given the fact that you have demonstrated poor reasoning in this thread alone and that you have based your academic research upon ideological confirmation bias, there is little wonder you supposedly left the STEM fields for their supposed lack of critical thought. You either couldn't effectively exercise it, or couldn't recognize it - therefore you had to redefine it to suit your needs.

      I'm sure that incorporating various types of relativism in your worldview has done wonders for resolving cognitive dissonance, but again, to the thinking world, it reveals you as a lightweight.

      This is not an ad hominem, but an observation. I do love the humanities name-dropping though. Predictable, but always fun.

      There was a time when the thinking world politely ignored frauds like you, but now that you have risen to positions where you can and do destroy the careers of ideological apostates, and teach pseudo-science to Burmese children, you deserve all the pushback you can get.

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    13. Your "argument" is nothing more than academic drivel. The kind that empowers those who wish to control those around them, to bend them to a malevolent will, to crush them into a mold of their own making.

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    15. Again, I will ignore any ad hominen arguments here because I find them unproductive (although this doesn’t mean that I am not sometimes guilty of partaking in them, but I do my best).

      First and generally, I want to reiterate that I’m not judging Matt or Elly based solely on the shirt. I actually think they both seem pretty amazing and we’d probably be fast friends if we met in person. I’ve been guilty of saying things and doing things that contribute to structural oppression more times than I’d like to admit and I took these mistakes as opportunities to learn. Again, my argument isn’t that an individual’s actions inherently make that individual sexist, racist, classist, homophobic, or ageist (for example). However, if I wear a piece of clothing or casually make a remark that contributes to the oppression of a group of people, I personally want to know about it so I can correct my behavior and apologize. IMHO, this takes a lot more critical thinking and self-reflection than simply dismissing that person’s concerns. It also requires an implicit understanding that structural oppression and power imbalances exist and that they exist in many forms.

      Pavel Bansky, I think that prescribing dress codes based on double standards that reinforce the oppression of (and violence toward) women is very different (and actually the opposite) of prescribing dress codes that send the message that reinforcing the oppression of women is NOT acceptable.

      Tony Tribby, I think this is another misunderstanding. I was speaking structurally. In other words, women are raising concerns about how they are treated generally in STEM and are constantly subjected to “microaggressions” (I know, those progressives and their terms) which are little (often unintentional) reminders that they have less power than their male counterparts. Matt’s not treating anyone anything directly, but his shirt serves as a reminder to women that their only value is in their sex appeal and that they are being judged for what they wear and how they look far more than for what they contribute intellectually or otherwise.

      If I’m not mistaken the military has fewer women than STEM and for the same reasons (at least from what I have read)? And while I can’t speak for women who work at Hooters, there are probably at least a few who are working there as a job and not a career (so it may be temporary) and it is also a profession where I would think women may not be surprised to be treated like objects and THIS DOES NOT IN ANY WAY JUSTIFY THAT TREATMENT. I’m just saying that if I were prone to seasickness, I might know to stay away from going for a career in trawling, but I might be shocked to find that I have to work on boats in the oil industry. This doesn’t mean that any violence or misogyny women experience when they work in the military, at Hooters, or in STEM is okay. And it certainly doesn’t mean that when they are faced with oppression, or worse, that it’s their fault. Personally, I believe that most men are loving and contributing members to society and not the savage, rapey beasts that can’t control themselves around scantily clad women that society would have us believe. What’s so wrong with wanting and asking men to make an effort to show women that they are capable of more? Finally, I agree that media are teaching boys and girls very disturbing things, but then isn’t it also possible that we learned some not-so-savory things that we should also be actively trying to unlearn (and also not pass to the next generation)?

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    16. GMay, I think maybe you misunderstood? I never said that I wasn’t making a judgment at all, just that I didn’t feel that wearing a shirt or making one constituted enough information for me, personally, to make a judgment on. Also, I never said I was personally offended by Matt’s shirt. What I was trying to convey was that I (and many other women AND men) think his shirt contributes to a culture that oppresses women because it serves as a reminder that they have less power than their male counterparts. And since it is (mostly) women that experience the negative effects of those little, but constant reminders, it seems like the respectful thing to do is to listen and take women seriously when they are telling you that they are affected by it. I think that we probably differ in our perspectives on this, but I believe that gauging others’ responses to my behavior as a result of my privilege and adjusting that behavior when I can is an important part of being a contributing member to society.

      You may find the argument about perceptions and experiences as “tedious as it is self-refuting,” but I find it very interesting and, by far, the most challenging to comprehend. Understanding that the entire world, as each of us know it individually, is completely constructed based on our experiences, histories, and cultures – to me – is fascinating and difficult to wrap my brain around most of the time. And understanding that only a few of those experiences, histories, and cultures are held up as the standard by which all others are judged is disheartening.

      Read my response to Pavel Bansky’s reply as I disagree that it refutes my reasoning.

      Also, I believe that just because an idea can’t be supported by evidence - as many are not quantifiable - doesn’t diminish our ability to think critically about a thing. On the contrary, it makes it more exciting and challenging. The feminist critique is loaded with critiques and counter-critiques.

      Finally, I don’t think anyone - or at least not many people – are conspiring to lock women out. In fact, I don’t think it’s intentional at all most of the time. But I do think that it may become intentional, or at least warrants some serious criticism, when concerns are raised by a large portion of the population (of whom most are women) and the response (by mostly men) is to shut down the conversation and go on with business as usual.

      AndyFreeman – see my response to TonyTribby above.

      Bob the Ape – I think that’s amazing and it sounds like you have had a lot to offer and contribute to society in your life. I may have been unclear. I don’t think that scientific validity, accuracy, and/or precision aren’t important. I absolutely believe they’re invaluable, just as I believe STEM fields are invaluable. I just wanted to be able to explore more than things that could be quantified - like culture, society, and human rights – and I didn’t find the scientific community open to socio-structural analyses or self-reflection. And I’m fully aware that that may have just been my experience, but given this controversy, I’m not so sure. . .

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    17. Malcom WInter:
      "Matt’s not treating anyone anything directly, but his shirt serves as a reminder to women that their only value is in their sex appeal and that they are being judged for what they wear and how they look far more than for what they contribute intellectually or otherwise. "

      "their only value is in their sex appeal"<--this might be a valid argument if, say, her wore that shirt or one very similar to it to work every day, and if he never allowed any of his female subordinates to do anything of value. The reality, though, is that he wore this shirt to work *one* day (the day after Elly gave it to him), and then he put it on just before the interviews on the day Philae landed, did a couple interviews, and then took it off. So you're extrapolating one data point and drawing a very sweeping conclusion from it. If you actually do work in the STEM fields, I'm pretty sure you work would be laughed out the door if you tried to present a "study" with conclusions based on so little information.

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    18. Tony Tribby - if Matt's wearing of a shirt occurred in a vacuum, you may have a valid point. But it didn't. His shirt is just one data point among millions (cross-sectionally and longitudinally) that remind women, particularly women in male dominated fields, that they have less power than their male counterparts. What women and their allies are voicing concern about is that he amplified his data point on the day he decided to wear his shirt in front of an international audience. I'm still failing to understand what is so hard about taking women's concerns seriously? If STEM really wants more women, one would think the logical first step would be to respect their concerns, take them seriously, and value their opinions.

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    19. Malcolm Winter: Yes, but you are treating it as if it were part of some larger concerted effort, coordinated between Matt and other people in the STEM field.

      You are here, you (I assume) read Elly's blog, so you know for a fact that isn't true. Elly and her husband appear to be Matt's best friends outside of his wife (he was best man at their wedding). Matt wearing that shirt that day was about him saying thank you to a very good friend who has been there while he's been working on this very long, very focused task.

      There is a difference between saying, after the fact, that Matt might have made a different choice that day and saying, with knowledge of all those facts above, that you still want people to think he was sending a message to women that "their only value is their sex appeal". Knowing the reasons behind him wearing it and continuing to say things like that is disingenuous in the extreme.

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    20. The video presumes "callouts" are a positive thing and that the people making them have much interest beyond self-aggrandizement.Neither of which has been true in my experience.

      Also, "STEM" isn't a field, but a bureaucratic construct, having little to do with any creative field somebody might have any kind of passion for. I love *science*, thank you very much. STEM is for people who clearly have a STEM up their arse.

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    22. Tony Tribby – I don’t feel as though I am treating it as if it were a part of a concerted (or intentional effort). I’m honestly curious what gave you that impression because I’d like to correct it. I understand what Matt’s intentions were, but intentions and effect are two very different things – something Matt seems to understand - which is why he apologized. I don’t think I ever said that his intentions were to send the message to women that their only value is in their sex appeal, just that the effect was to remind them that it is. This doesn’t have to be intentional. And it certainly doesn’t mean I think the actor is a bad person. I’m actually also upset with people who attacked Matt. Some of their points may have been valid, but their treatment of Matt was unacceptable (and highly counterproductive).

      Iamcuriousblue19 – I think “callouts” can be a good thing if they are done in a respectful and productive manner. This case is a great example. Some people directly attacked Matt, which I don’t think is a respectful or productive way to call someone out (and if people think this was my approach, I welcome constructive criticism).

      The first step in “calling someone out,” is to recognize, as I said above, that intention and effect are separate entities. Just because some people experienced hurt as a result of Matt’s actions does not mean that was what he intended. We’ve all experienced this (I believe) – saying or doing something that we thought relatively harmless, but that incited a hugely inflammatory response we didn’t expect. But just because we didn’t intend to inflict pain does not absolve us of responsibility for that pain. Think about it this way. If you were walking down the street with a friend and turned around suddenly to point at something and accidentally smacked a passer-by on the face so hard it made him/her cry out in pain, would you say “That shouldn’t have hurt cause I didn’t mean to hurt anyone! Quit crying!” Probably not (at least I hope not). Most people would apologize. It’s society’s lack of recognition of emotional pain as having equal (if not more) bearing on human well-being as physical pain that blinds us to the fact that we can also hurt people unintentionally with our behavior and that that deserves equal consideration IMHO.

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    23. Malcolm: You keep using that phrase "their only value is their sex appeal." Not, "some of their value may be derived from their sex appeal" but "their only value is in their sex appeal"

      Do you not get why using that phrase would give the impression that you are making a huge leap from the idea of someone wearing one shirt one day to that position?

      For instance, is it Matt's fault that no one in the media has decided to talk about Andrea Accomazzo, the woman who is the flight director of the project and probably the single person most responsible for the whole thing actually happening? (If Rosetta hadn't made it to the comet properly, most of the other science onboard wouldn't have been relevant). Because I'm not completely familiar with some European names, I can't tell you precisely how many of the other sub-project leads are also female, but there are several.

      In all this "women are reminded of" talk, why is no one--particularly the people who think women are being discriminated against in the field--championing the successes of all of those women in rising through the ranks to be, likely, next in line to head one of ESA's future missions? Is it really because Matt's shirt he wore one day renders all of work they have done moot, or is it because speaking about those women's successes would be counter to the narrative?

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    24. Malcolm Winter said: " I understand what Matt’s intentions were, but intentions and effect are two very different things. I don’t think I ever said that his intentions were to send the message to women that their only value is in their sex appeal, just that the effect was to remind them that it is. This doesn’t have to be intentional.

      Herein lies the core of my discontent with Mr. Malcolm Winter. He sees fit to hold Dr. Taylor to account for the reactions of people not present, who Dr. Taylor has never met. That's not reasonable.

      Furthermore it turns the concept of freedom on its head. He contends women can't be "free" unless Dr. Taylor is forbidden to wear his shirt.

      Madness.

      Incidentally Malcolm, I note you haven't been over to defend your position on my blog. I take this to mean that you don't really have a position other than as a member of a mob.

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    25. Tony Tribby – What I was trying to say is that it serves as a REMINDER to women that their only value (according to society) is in their sex appeal, just as media silence on their contributions does. As I think I’ve mentioned a few times I think one of the big misunderstandings among the STEM community is that this is about one single shirt. However, what women and their allies have been trying to point out is that it’s certainly not about one single shirt. If this had been an isolated incident, of course (I hope) it would be largely dismissed. But it’s not about one incident. Instead that shirt represents a culture that continues to permit, ignore, and even encourage disrespect of women through the accumulation of many, many incidents.

      I don’t think anyone is putting the responsibility for the accumulation of these incidents on Matt’s shoulders (at least they shouldn’t be or they’re missing the point). They’re just trying to say that he is adding to a pile of bricks that are weighing women down and the fact that he and others felt it was perfectly acceptable to do so in an international forum shows how truly incessant such incidents are.

      It certainly is not Matt’s fault that no one is talking about Andrea Accomazzo and this should actually be seen as another incident (another brick) that serves as a REMINDER to women that their (non-sexual) contributions are not valued and you’re right, this invisibility deserves equal attention to that of working conditions. Western society and the STEM fields in particular are full of such reminders and that is what people are trying to draw attention to. The shirt has taken on the status of the quintessential emblem of such reminders and it is very unfortunate that the attention has been so focused on Matt because it’s not about Matt. It’s about the acceptability of such reminders in the workplace (and media) and the fact that that acceptability transfers to an international forum is alarming to many women and their allies.

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  50. Some context for Dr. Taylor: the haters will be forgotten by next week while his name will continue to soar through the heavens for eons. Caesars come and go, but Newton is forever.

    Keep being awesome.

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  51. "When a wise man points at the moon the imbecile examines the finger." - Confucius

    This quote summarizes the feminist response to Matt's shirt perfectly.

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  52. Love the shirt, Matt is awesome and so are you.
    Nuff said

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  53. No one expects the Spanish Inquisition. Their chief weapons are fear, shaming and an acute loathing for rock-a-billy and Bettie Page.

    I hearby rename the comet Bettie Page, and you may consider that official.

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  54. My dear lady, please do not feel it is "cashing in." You are doing us a favor. Many of us feel that Dr. Matt Taylor was gravely wrongs, but we have no real, permanent, visible way to express our support of him and our fierce defiance of the cowards who attacked him and smeared him on the very day when his accomplishment made history.

    You are doing us a favor. Many of us want to donate as a way of expressing ourselves and showing support. He is not alone. You are not alone.

    John C. Wright

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  55. I love the shirt and the fact that Dr, Taylor have it for the landing!
    Like woman is not slut for wearing a short skirt, Dr. Taylor is not a bad person for wearing this shirt.

    Men and women should stop prescribing each others dress code!

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  56. Can you make one displaying a gorgeous man with a really big penis and large testicles. I need it for the next time i walk into my lab and the boys are all giggling about boobies.

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    1. yeah like that is really comparable "fizziks girl"

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    2. The same fabric company does beefcake ones too. Really cool!

      http://www.ahfabrics.com/collections/category/986-all-american

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    3. Fizziks Girl, you should totally get shirt like that (or whatever shirt you want), and I will protect your right to wear it, exactly the same way as I do protect Dr. Taylor right to wear his.

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    4. Pavel Bansky - I'm honestly curious. Would you protect a KKK member's right to don KKK regalia?

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    5. Malcolm Winter, this comment has inspired me to do a blog post about what you have said here. For you to ask such a question, of a RUSSIAN no less, demands an answer. I'm not going to burn up Elly's bandwidth doing it, I'm going to dissect your statements on my own dime.

      Defend yourself or not. http://phantomsoapbox.blogspot.com/

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    6. The Phantom - I am honored that my words have so affected you that you plan to dedicate an entire blog to them. You have made my day!!

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    7. Yeah, you say that now...

      http://phantomsoapbox.blogspot.com, it'll be up presently.

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    8. I don't think a woman wearing a shirt with men wearing scantily clad clothing is the same thing. Men do not live in a society where they are continually judged more on how they look than on what they think. Men are not paid less than women for the same job with the same qualifications. Men are not expected to give up their careers to raise a family and are not deemed by society as “selfish” if they do so. Men are not systematically treated as less valuable than women (for example, you’ll never hear “you throw like a boy,” “get the sand out of your ball sack,” “don’t get your jock strap all in a bunch”; women can wear men’s clothing, but men are crazy – or deviant - for wanting to wear women’s clothing; it’s perfectly acceptable to name a female with a traditionally male name [Andy, Jo, Billy, etc.], but not the other way around; “women’s work” is never *paid* work; men are considered more “distinguished” as they age, while women are considered “hags” [or spinsters should they choose not to marry, whereas men are simply bachelors] etc., etc.). This is why “reverse sexism” (or any type of reverse discrimination) isn’t possible. Sexism does not occur in a vacuum as an isolated incident, but as an incident in an atmosphere that is created by a society where sexism has been institutionalized and repeated for centuries or millennia.

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    9. Well Malcolm, its December and you have yet to come and defend yourself. Guess you don't have any argument worth making, just a list of whinges.

      Figures.

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  57. +1 for kickstarter.
    Make money, no shame in it.

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  58. Dr Taylor should tell them to go and take a flying fuck!

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  59. Dear Elly. Please, please make more of those shirts and sell them - in a way it's a symbol of fight with the endarkening now!

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  60. I'm more sorry for the fact he felt he needed to apologise. I would have handed them a large plate of "ireallycouldntgiveafuckwhatyouthinkasshokes"

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  61. I'm so glad to see all the support for you and Matt Taylor. I wish you all the best going forward, whether you decide to produce the shirts commercially, or not. Don't let the Mean Girls of the world get you down!

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  62. I don't like the shirt. Really, I don't like it. But Matt is not me, and you're not me. It is ok not to like the shirt. I won't impose my views on that. I will buy another shirt I like. As simple as that.

    I like that it was a personal gift from a friend to another friend. I like Matt supporting his friends (it tells a lot about him). I like the gift, as you said, was made with love. I like Matt showing the world who he is.

    I'm very sad that Matt was attacked for that. I'm also sad that he had to "say sorry" for what exactly?

    Sad days for artists, people making things with love and people supporting their friends.

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  63. Awesome shirt, and you're a terrific friend for giving such a beautiful gift of your time and attention in making it.
    Those professional But Hurt artists offended probably would have benefited from more STEM courses and fewer XXX-Studies.
    My prospective mother and sister-in-law are making my darling and I wedding clothing that matches the 1850 Era theme of our favorite hobby.
    No greater love these days than giving your own time to someone you care for... Especially when the vast majority aren't even capable of producing a hand made item themselves.
    The offense was committed by those taking a huge scientific and engineering triumph and using it as a platform for their social agenda.
    AllTheBest!

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  64. I heard about this "controversy" last night, and it really upset me to see the hurt that this unwarranted criticism caused for Dr. Taylor. Personally, I think the shirt is cool -- kind of "The Big Lebowski" meets "Heavy Metal" in its vibe -- but I understand that not everyone loves that look. That said, the negative responses online that personally attack Dr. Taylor have been completely out of line. In my opinion, this incident illustrates why online meanness, even under the guise of a good cause like gender equality, is never a solution. The self-proclaimed feminists attacking Dr. Taylor are crying wolf, and their hyper-vigilant reactions are doing far more damage to the feminist movement than a campy bowling shirt ever could. I really hope that both you and Dr. Taylor are doing okay, because neither of you have anything to apologize for, and should be celebrating this tremendous accomplishment, not worrying about hurt feelings over a shirt.

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  65. Only the internet synthetic rage brigade could hijack and attempt to sabotage, one of mankind's greatest achievements, where humanity combines and reaches out into the universe to humbly ask the question where did we come from? No, this aspiration is clearly not good enough for them, the question they want answering is "What's that he's wearing?", and "Is there any conceivable why I can get upset about it?" Dr. Taylor should never have been made to grovel to the tawdry soulless masses.

    I love your shirt.

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  66. I wondered today why the shirt thing got to me-- usually I write goofballs off as harmless and move on. But there IS a larger issue here because STEM has yet to create a culture where all are welcome. For example,- I realized the other day that, for the first time in a decade, I'm in a work environment where I don't have to laugh off really obnoxious sexist jokes and lewd asides about wonderfully accomplished women on a near daily basis (and be treated like a bitch for calling any of it out)....because that crap just isn't part of my new job's *culture*. And culture makes a HUGE difference in knowing that I'm valued, in feeling comfortable to be myself, and in being part of a team. It's like another world, really.

    The culture that didn't stop that work inappropriate shirt (c'mon, it was hardly subtle!) is a culture that doesn't include women. It's that culture that is the problem, not some shirt, of course. The feminists all know that; the internet hasn't quite figured it out yet. I give Matt credit for owning up to hurting people; I hope he looks deeper into the culture that really needs addressing, too. Culture matters.

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    1. > The culture that didn't stop that work inappropriate shirt (c'mon, it was hardly subtle!) is a culture that doesn't include women.

      The project lead is a woman and she's not the only woman on the team.

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    2. EU has more women in STEM than USA and as you can see they are way more relaxed on their dress code. So, it's probably somewhere else.

      I wonder what women from ESA has to say about it. If they feel unwelcome or not....

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    3. You mean the same workplaces where women can come work in low cut shirts, showing their bellies and mini skirts? Yeah I think those workplaces can deal with the shirt. Here's the rule at the place I work at: Are you doing your job? Cool, enjoy your clothes.

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  67. Ms. Prizeman, the shirt is awesome, the ink Matt has is awesome, and what John Wright said. Please to pass on to Dr. Matt that I rejoice in him expressing himself through his ink and fashion choices, and that anyone who can land a probe on a comet from 300 million miles away can, as far as I'm concerned, wear whatever the hell he wants to.

    Forget the haters. Small minds grasp at stupid things because people who actually accomplish amazing things make their own little worlds look so small.

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  68. "You've really made the grade. And the papers want to know whose shirts you wear." --- David Bowie

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  69. The shirt definitely has more fans than detractors! It's pretty damn awesome.

    Why do media outlets like Mashable NOT have to apologize for "sexist" ads and links to their own "sexist" articles when they report about unfairly beleaguered Dr. Taylor?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDASJDPuNpg

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  70. And this is why I've always said I was an equalist, not a feminist.

    Dr. Taylor did nothing wrong, and neither did you, Ms Prizeman. Unless the shirt said "Bitches, Go Home", it wasn't making any statement about women in STEM, and if anyone is so insecure as to allow a shirt like this to determine their career choice, they need some serious, SERIOUS therapy.

    That all said, I don't usually comment on Internet insanity, but I'm actually devastated because this moment should have been one of the best experiences of Dr. Taylor's life (and his desire to have you "with him" for that moment is incredibly touching), and it was completely derailed. I only hope he can still revel in the thrill of the team's achievements, and put this idiocy behind him.

    He seems like a really good guy, his personal style shows creativity, which is what we need in the sciences, and - let's face it - he's a rocket scientist, and that DOES impress me. :)

    Please let him know he has a lot of support, and I hope for nothing but the best for you, your husband, and Dr. Taylor.

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  71. Can we get this pattern as a T-shirt, so I can be sexist and comfortable

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  72. Elly, Personally I thought the shirt was great. However, you should probably make Matt a new one, because I doubt he is going to be able to wear this one in public ever again. Next time, maybe don't put any half-naked women on it. A collage of historical feminists might sound good, but could be taken the wrong way. Best to stay away from women entirely, and make it something like puppy dogs or kittens.

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  73. Don't even worry about the shirt. Feminazi's will complain regardless, acknowledging them is touching the poop, Making fun of them is picking the low hanging fruit.

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  74. Great shirt!

    The wonderful Dr Taylor need not have apologised as he did nothing wrong. Will all those being nasty to him get two years in jail? Chris Graylings/Mrs May's (stupid) new law is surely there to protect him?

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  75. The shirt was great wear it with pride, as you did, don't hide under a sweat shirt! :)
    He has a right to wear whatever he wants.
    Trivialising such a Global momentous event, as the Rosetta Project & little Philea, to the shirt on a man's back, just shows how nasty, ignorant and stupid people can manage to stoop to!
    If my friends took the time and trouble to make me such a super shirt then I'd wear it with pride. :)
    It's wonderful to know that such a nice decent smart chap like Dr Taylor has such a great friend with you and your husband. Hope you get 1000's of orders at £150 each then you can give up your day job! :)

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  76. Elly, The Shirt is awesome, and you are awesome for sticking up for your friends. Anyone ever questions your honor, slap them one time for me.

    You should absolutely cash in. You should get a hundred thousand of those shirts made in China and sell every last one for as much as the traffic will bear. And you should make oodles of money off it. And you should spend every penny on YOURSELF, and not one penny to "charity" or whatever. Buy a Porche and paint naked women on it.

    Because every single shirt will be a message to the likes of Rose Eveleth and all her little control freak friends that they suck and the rest of us aren't going to put up with their cr@p. At all.

    If I get a chance some day I'll be happy to buy your shirt and wear it with pride. Just to piss the haterz off. Charge me a lot of money, I'll pay.

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  77. This whole thing has made me quite angry. The contrast between feminist rallies where ladies (quite rightly) protest about their right to wear what they like, and this ugly incident, where the momentous achievements of over a decade's work is being tainted by 'feminists' telling Dr Taylor what he should and shouldn't wear, is startling.

    Dr Taylor, my words to you: Don't let the naysayers detract from the phenomenal achievement you and your ESA colleagues have accomplished. You successfully performed history's most difficult parking manoeuvre and advanced humankind's knowledge. Plus, you have successfully captured the imagination and attention of millions of people - all of them focused on how cool space exploration is. You have a lot more supporters than critics.

    And to Ms. Prizeman; Awesome shirt. Awesome sticking-up-for-a-friend. Awesome perspective on life. Thanks for writing this.

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  78. I don't care what other people say, the shirt is great and his style is totally ok with me. My respect to Dr. Matt Taylor for his job.

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  79. He should just do the next press release naked xD that'll show em! ... more than they bargained for.
    Love the shirt, you guys are awesome friends. Shame about the damage this will undoubtedly bring to actual feminists >.<

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  80. Плюньте на всех этих невежд и сумасшедших.. Носите что хотите и любите друг друга. Рад за вас и за талант вашего жениха.

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  81. The sad part is that Matt makes science look cool, which makes science appealing to kids.

    The guy wouldn't look out of place as someone's bodyguard. So Matt wearing that shirt, while landing a spacecraft on a comet at mach 1125 - he was the incarnation of swagger.

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  82. On (presumably) the greatest day of his career so far, he chooses to identify with women kicking ass.

    You'd think feminists would be happy.

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  83. Where is the homepage where I can buy such a cool T-Shirt?

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    1. There isn't one yet Pascal. I am working on it but no clue where to begin! :-)

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    2. Just create facebook page for that. If you have any questions - let me know.
      -Alex, fb engineer.

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    3. Elly--
      The best / easiest way to sell them would be through Etsy, I think. You don't have to create a whole web site, you just create an account and put up pictures of your stuff. They charge a small % but it's pretty low.

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    4. Do it. You'll sell a million.

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    5. You probably won't sell a million. But you will sell many. I pay £120 for my not-handmade shirts, so price won't be an issue. Quality and design will be but only after temporary notoriety wears off. And by then you have time to develop your craft.
      You may need to consider whether you want to maintain or promote that notoriety. Personally, I am quite reserved, so that wouldn't be for me but you make your own decisions.
      If you want to keep this as hobby, rather than career, you may be able to sell rights or something.
      Either way, you should cash in for as much as you possibly can. You don't get this much awareness/publicity often and it would be nice to see someone honest and decent profit from this (include your own description of current state of play, I can't find one that wouldn't risk irritating one side or the other).
      I hope your mate is feeling ok. It seemed to all be a bit of an overload the other day. Please thank him for us, if you get the chance, for the faraway-rock thing. Makes me proud to share the planet.

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  84. hugs to matt and you , him for his accomplishment and to you for that really cool shirt, i love it

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  85. My Mum was brilliant because she could make shirts, but they were never that cool. I think you, the shirt, and Matt are good, and anyone who says otherwise is bad. See also what Stephen Fry said about being offended.

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  86. Just wanted to add my support for the whole "shirtgate" affair. Am dumbfounded by those who were offended by it. I thought it was a pretty cool shirt! Such a shame this has detracted from the great work everyone at ESA has done.

    Congrats to Matt and everyone else on their unfathomably great achievement, and props to you for making such a great shirt.

    All the very best,
    Gareth

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  87. I loved your shirt, Elly, and I loved the fact Dr Taylor chose to wear it on TV to celebrate his team's amazing achievement! It was upsetting to know that people's nasty comments cast a negative shadow over this achievement. I hope you keep making Dr Taylor shirts for his birthdays and I hope he continues to wear them in public and continues to be himself! I think both yourself and Dr Taylor have gained a few new fans this week, and deservedly so - keep up the good work!

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  88. This silly furor sparked a heated debate in a facebook group I am in
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/226397717420966/
    I would love for Matt to know that barring a few Feminuts he is viewed as a hero, not only for what he did, but that he did it with his own style, breaking the mold of what a scientist should look like...

    Best Wishes to you and him

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  89. If you hired a shirt company to make a limited run, I would certainly buy it if its cheaper to show my support. So far I just made a humble donation to an indiegogo funding to buy Matt a gift but I would like to do more.

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  90. The entitled, privileged idiots that attacked this man owe their comfortable, secure, easy lives to visionary men like Dr Taylor. Men who created the society and technology that allows them to spend their time scouring the world looking for trivialities to be outraged by, instead of spending every minute performing hard psychical labour just to feed themselves. If loud shirts are keeping women out of science and engineering then they obviously don't have the determination required to actually achieve something other than whining and thinking up new ways to be a victim.

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  91. Keep the shirts, and anything else you design, pouring forth.

    Here int he real world, we love the shirt and Mat is a hero. Tell him for us.

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  92. I noticed Matt's balls first.

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  93. This shirt needs to be mass-produced and we all need to wear it :)

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  94. Why are people unable to differentiate between the enormous scientific achievement of landing on a comet, and the issue raised by wearing this (quite acceptable in a casual setting) shirt in a professional appearance? Why must they be conflated?

    Please tell Matt for us that he really *is* a hero - both for the cometary mission, *and* for realizing that there was an issue and making his heartfelt apology. Both are appreciated!

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  95. Hi Ms. Prizeman-

    Just wanted to offer my support as well- love the shirt!

    Also, it seems you have picked up a well known troll here on your blog, currently using the name Yamanamama. It has several other aliases, and it tends to harass a particular group of people, several of which have commented here, when it's not busy posting pornographic pictures to children's sites or stalking women of Asian ancestry.

    There have been several blog/forum posts about this troll, a simple search of the name Andrew P. Marston, Yamanamama, or Clamps will bring them up.

    Here is a list of known aliases compiled by a friend:

    Alauda*, Arachnothera, Beardsley McTurbanhead, Chokley Carmichael, Clamps*, Comrade Questions, Daphis, Daphnis*, Freddy Foreshadowing, Luscinia*, Luscinia Hafez, Starshine, Sunlight, Will Le Fey*, Yama*, Yamamanama*, Yama the Space Fish.

    The list isn't comprehensive. It also seems that the troll has taken to using character names from the show Archer.

    Good luck in the future!

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    1. I'd say you were Eyzwydopen, but your English ability isn't comparable to that of a third century Peruvian.

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    2. Hey, I miss you yamalamadingdong. Come back over to my place, my Iron Finger of Deletion needs a troll to punish.

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  96. Dear Elly,
    I’m sure that you and Dr. Matt Taylor have got a lot words of support. It’s a real great thing that the smart scientist is a man with good sense of humor and style. And the most important thing in this story is a long and complicated way of the astronomers and physicists and other scientists of Rosetta Mission team work with incredible result. They put a big part of their lives for the outstanding project to make one more step for understand who we are and where we are from. It’s the first important thing. And the second is that they have friends who support them. Thank you! And don’t pay attention to stupid and empty people, please. You are incredibly kind people to apologize before them.
    P.S. And the shirt is very cool! I’ll be happy to join to the supporters and to your waiting list.

    My best wishes
    Katerina

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  97. Hey Elly,
    The next time you meet Matt Taylor give him a hug from me. He achieved something truly great, and I hate to see feminist troglodytes comment on his attire instead of what he and his team accomplished. Besides, that shirt was truly great!

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  98. Hi,

    Sorry if there are some mistakes, as English is not my native language.

    This was very sad to see how Matt is being attacked by feminists. I am a woman and I am not offended by this shirt or Matt or Matt wearing the shirt or ... whatever =) The shirt is beautiful, I think you make nice clothes. The most offensive for me it is to see that people who care only about persons clothes, but not about the science achievements and work that Matt did, they had enough power to make him cry. This is just unfair. I think I can never understand it. Also best wishes to Matt and to You. I'd also like to add that not only english-speaking people, but many others around the world support Matt (people from pikabu.ru society wrote letter for Matt saying that we support him, we hope he will notice it in twitter).

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  99. The "cashing in" accusation is neither here nor there: there's demand, plain and simple. :P

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  100. Since this is a hobby and making it a business would ruin the pleasure you get from it, perhaps a few made for charity auction? As you noted, copies are readily available, but I'm sure a limited run from the original designer would result in a really a good cause being benefitted.

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  101. An astute post by a male friend and colleague who gave me permission to post here:

    "Today begins my quest to objectify, sexually harass, and humiliate men publicly as often as possible in order to help them feel the discomfort to which women are every day subjected. Don't be put off if I say things like, 'Damn, I wanna get all up in that hairy little ass,' or, 'I bet those toned legs look great up over your head.' I'm also going to procure clothing made exclusively from fabric printed with images of men in assless chaps and jock straps in seductively compromising positions. When a male colleague enters the copy room and I, in my naked man shirt, stare at his ass and ignore everything that he says, and he becomes uncomfortable and expresses his discomfort, I'll retort, 'It's just a shirt! Get over it! This is a free country and I can do things that make you uncomfortable BECAUSE I'M FREE.' And if he says anything else I will tell everyone in the office what a shrill b!*ch he is and that someone should grudge-f#@k him and put him in his place.
    This is what freedom looks like, dudes! THIS IS AMERICA."

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    1. "Today begins my quest to objectify, sexually harass, and humiliate men publicly as often as possible in order to help them feel the discomfort to which women are every day subjected."

      Sure Malcolm. Because that's totally where Matt was going with the whole shirt thing.

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  102. Please copyright the print. If you make these shirts in bulk - there are loads of men and women that will buy this shirt from you - even at an escalated price - dont loose out on this opportunity.

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  103. Nice post, I like Printed T-Shirts they gives a neat and good look.

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